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The Irish perspective

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Continuing my reportage of Saturday's one-day forum and book launch at St Anne's College, Oxford, I'm going to mesh a lecture on the day with a paper in the newly-published volume, to paint an emerging picture of Ireland's Celtic past.

The lecture was from William O’Brien, Professor of Archaeology at University College Cork. He is famous for his work on the earliest copper mine and Bell Beaker site in Ireland - Ross Island, which has connections with Western France and Northern Iberia.

But on Saturday he spread his net to cover the whole of South-West Ireland. Over and over again he stressed the continuity evident in every aspect of human life in the region and indeed in Ireland as a whole from the time of those Bell Beaker arrivals right through the Bronze and Iron Ages. In his view, there is no evidence of inward migration during this whole period. And he felt that the endemic warfare and chiefdoms of the Late Bronze and Iron Ages would scarcely be conducive to the adoption of a new language. Although he did not come right out and say so, this suggests that the Celtic language arrived with the Bell Beaker folk (or even earlier).

Half a century ago, scholars took it for granted that the Celts had arrived in the British Isles in the Iron Age from the Hallstatt and La Tène cultural heartlands of Central Europe, which were late enough to be identifiable as Celtic from commentary on the Celts by Ancient Greek and Roman authors. But as Professor O’Brien pointed out, there are few items of La Tène type in the SW region and only a light distribution of material from the Hallstatt Culture. He did concede that there was more La Tène material in the north.

This makes a perfect match with the paper by Brian McEvoy and Daniel Bradley, Irish Genetics and Celts, Celtic from the West (2010). They feel that the genetic picture does not support the idea of massive Iron Age invasions from mainland Europe. Yet they do suggest that the frequency of Y-DNA haplogroup I2b1a (they call it by the old name I1c) in North-Eastern Ireland could reflect human arrivals along with the La Tène package. This haplogroup is otherwise almost exclusive to those of British origin. In Ireland it is shared by men of several surnames which are Gaelic in origin, and so cannot reflect gene flow from Britain in modern times. It appears in McGuinness and McCartan men - who have a recorded 6th-century AD common ancestor. They date its most recent common ancestor in Ireland to about 300 BC. [My note - the arrival of La Tène Celts from Britain could account for the fact that some people in County Down and Antrim were known as Cruthin, meaning British, in the early medieval period, including the ancestors of the McGuinness and McCartan families.]

They also summarise much interesting material from previous papers by themselves and other authors on the genetic traits which are particularly notable among the Irish, such as cystic fibrosis, phenylketonuria and haemochromatosis. About one quarter of the Irish sampled carry one of two variants of the HFE gene locus (C282Y and H63D) that are known, when homozygous, to predispose to haemochromatosis (iron overload). Those of you who are 23andMe customers can check whether you are a carrier for either of these under the American spelling Hemochromatosis. You can also check if you carry any of 31 CFTR mutations for cystic fibrosis, or the major mutations for Phenylketonuria.

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Yorkie 

26 July 2010 - 11:03 AM
To be fair, I have not as yet read the McEvoy and Bradley [2010] paper but I remember reading a previous paper of theirs, known as 'The Trinity Study' [sponsored by Patrick Guinness]. In the paper, the authors referred to 'IXI1b2' as having possible links to the legendary Cruthin. I also recall Patrick Guinness saying on Rootsweb forum that the 'Trinity Study' findings had 'unmasked the Cruthin dynasty' and that the Cruthin were 'hiding behind' old I1c and I1b haplotypes in the British Isles/Ireland. I emphasise this because old I1b [now I2a2] was also mentioned alongside old I1c [now I2b1a].

I note McEvoy and Bradley's [ibid] linkage of I2b1a with certain families that have legends of Cruthin ancestry. Some of them, like Maguinness, also have a fair smattering of I2a2 alongside I2B1a. I suppose it all rather depends upon exactly 'who' one considers to be Cruthin. The authors appear to suggest that the Cruthin may have been La Tene Celts. However, Ian Adamson author of several books on the topic, has maintained since 1974 that the Cruthin were in fact the very earliest settlers to Ireland and hail to the late Mesolithic; a pre-Celtic population.

Recently, Adamson and his friend, Dr Tim Owen, [on Adamson's Impala blog, 'Genes of the Cruthin'] conjectured that it is also possible that Nordtvedt's I2a2b-Isles clades may be a genetic echo of the Cruthin. The clades are said by Ken Nordtvedt to have been founded on the north German plain and arrived in Britain in the early post-LGM period. Tim Owen has suggested that the earliest I2a2b-Isles clade ['B'] probably entered Scotland first, moving on to Ireland to 'give birth', so to speak, to the younger clades such as 'C' and 'D', and that they may link to the late Mesolithic narrowblade culture which replaced the broadblade culture. As Owen suggests, the distribution of the I2a2b-Isles clades in Ireland is thin, but concentrated in the refuge areas such as the south-west, Connaught and parts of Ulster. This suggests a relic population, subsumed under the R1b 'Gaelic' majority. Owen has also recently drawn attention to a distinct 'hotspot' for clade 'C' [and to a slightly lesser extent to the late offshoot, clade 'D'] around the area of Rathcroghan in county Roscommon. It is well-known that there was a Cruthin satellite settlement in Rathcroghan, with the bulk of the Cruthin situated in Ulster.

Ethnoancestry's Jim Wilson recently agreed with Owen [email correspondence] that 'certain strains' of I2a2 and possibly M26 I2a1 may represent some of the earliest settlers, and 'quite possibly' the Cruthin.

Maybe the Cruthin carried several clades of I haplogroup?

Jean M 

26 July 2010 - 11:41 AM
As I said on the forum when we discussed this, the yearning to find pre-Celtic people in both Britain and Ireland was indulged to the hilt for a very long time, but scholars are now reining themselves in. The idea of the Picts as pre-Celtic was disposed of by Katherine Forsyth, Language in Pictland: the case against non-Indo-European Pictish (1997). Modern, academic place-name scholars have pointed out the evidence of P-Celtic in Pictland, and Q-Celtic all over Ireland. Historians recognise that Ptolemy's Geography on the British Isles is full of Celtic tribal and place-names. There's not the faintest scrap of evidence that any pre-Celtic-language-speaking people survived into historic times. The most up-to-date academic histories of Scotland and Ireland have no truck with trying to link either the Picts or Cruithne to pre-Celts.

As you will know, Y-DNA Haplogroup I as a whole appears ancient and its subclades are almost exclusively found in Europeans and their descendants. It is therefore the favoured candidate for Mesolithic Europe, unless no Y-DNA haplogroup survives at all from that period. However the extant subclades of I have all been dated to more recent times by Ken Nordtvedt.

Specifically I2b1a (M284) is almost exclusively British and seems to have arisen there among the Celts. Ken Nordvedt's date for it in England is 1870 BC. A subclade found in Scotland (I2b1a1) he dated to c. 270 AD. Their ancestor I2b1 (M223) is found in continental Europe and dated c. 2650 BC by K. Nordtvedt.

Yorkie 

26 July 2010 - 14:54 PM
Do you think that I2a2b-Isles arose with the Celts as is your scenario for I2b1a [M284]? Oddly, Bryan Sykes thinks that the small amount of British I2a2 was most likely brought in the Germanic/Scandinavian invasions of the historical period as a small minority. I note that Nordtvedt's dating seems to place I2a2b-Isles as Neolithic. Sometimes, I don't know what to think about it.



Jean M 

26 July 2010 - 16:40 PM

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Sometimes, I don't know what to think about it.


I am in much the same state of mind on I2a2b-Isles, only worse, in that you probably have some clue to its distribution. I don't think I've ever seen a distribution map.

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Nordtvedt's dating seems to place I2a2b-Isles as Neolithic.


Yes. His TMRCA for the whole of I2a2b-Isles looks bang-on for a Neolithic arrival (4000 BC), if I'm following his Warped Founder Tree chart correctly.

Yorkie 

27 July 2010 - 12:47 PM
Being a technological Luddite and thicko, I can't send links. This is a shame as there does exist a very good distribution map of I2a2b-Isles [showing a fair representation in England and Scotland alongside Ireland but curiously not Wales] on the Ancestry.com private group, 'I2a2b-Isles'. It was put together by Aiden Mulvihill. Membership of the group [62 people including Ken Nordtvedt] is by invitation. If you are interested, let me know and I'll 'invite' you. The group would benefit from your scholarly input.

Jean M 

27 July 2010 - 13:58 PM
Talking of links, I don't know what happened to the link to Nordtvedt's pages that I thought I put into my last response. It's fixed now anyway.

Thanks for the offer, but I'm spread pretty thin as it is. I'd need to clone myself to post at all the genetic genealogy forums. I stick to this forum and reading the Rootsweb general genetic list on the whole, with excursions now and then to read other forums dedicated to specific haplogroups. I post myself at only one of those.

Yorkie 

27 July 2010 - 15:07 PM
No problem. It is mainly 'Isles' people who post. The truth is that there simply isn't enough data on I2a2b-Isles at the moment, which is very frustrating. Thank goodness there is plenty of data on I1 [my maternal Grandfather was I1] otherwise I might be tempted to take up another hobby!
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